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Wednesday, October 04, 2006

one-stop shop two

A quote from John Chapman at the MTS Challenge Conference (formerly known as Club 5):
We need to be like the Americans and plant churches next to the Golden Arches.
I think this may have been borrowed by him from someone else, but nevertheless it is something to think about; how different to the world do we need to be? If there's nothing wrong with Maccas, why not use them for us?
(if you really believe this, don't look here!)
welcome to St Ronalds. here's your outline. would you like fries with that?

(i especially like the reminder of the promise God made with Noah in Genesis 9! any out-there theories of what the rainbow may have to do with Maccas are welcome.)

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Blogger Alphabet Soup said...

Should Christians boycott Maccas, assuming that it is not a question of conscience?

8:39 pm  
Blogger samgirl said...

I also like the reminder of God's promise to Noah...pretty colours that remind us of God's amazing faithfulness :)

No idea what the rainbow has to do with Maccas though!!!!

11:02 pm  
Blogger psychodougie said...

a good question alphabet soup.
i think Acts 24:16 makes it pretty clear, So I always take pains to have a clear conscience toward both God and man.
if it is against one's conscience to eat maccas, they should indeed refrain.
if, however, there is no problem for one's own conscience, 1 Corinthians 10:25 explains, Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience.
if one is free from guilt eating maccas, eat freely, knowing that all good things come from God.
if one is of weaker conscience, it would actually be sinful for them to eat there.

i'm not saying i would boycott maccas, rather asking whether this is a new and helpful way of interacting with some members of the community we may otherwise not come into contact with, in a surrounding they are at home in.
in the same way as (for example) the Taizé movement reaches those who may enjoy other surrounds, if we were to plant a church at a maccas, knowing they've done the market research already for us on the where. we then need only bring the what!
so, what do you think?

11:10 pm  
Blogger Hayley said...


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11:43 am  
Blogger byron said...

It's not a matter of conscience, it's a matter of destroying your body, soul and world... :-)

3:45 pm  
Blogger Georgina said...

"This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and the McDonalds corporation and every living creature with you that is killed to supply McDonalds, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the McDonalds corporation. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and McDonalds. Never again will the world be without McDonalds food. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and the McDonalds corporation."

12:56 pm  
Blogger psychodougie said...

nice. maybe they could bring out a golden letter version of the bible:

Concerning this mcdonalds, the prophets who prophesied about the fast food that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of ronald in them was indicating when he predicted the mac-time and the subsequent happy meals. It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in asking whether you would like fries with that, the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the fast food to you by the big mac sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.

my favourite verse in this mcbible is of course,

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the hamburgular prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking 30c soft-serves to devour.

2:44 pm  
Blogger Alphabet Soup said...

I know this blog is about McChurch but it is as good as any (in fact, better than most) to raise ethical questions ...

Some Christians are against embryonic stem cell research. For argument's sake, if such research were approved in Australia and did yield cures for some diseases, should those same Christians refuse the resultant treatments e.g. for Alzheimer's?

Should Christians who have a problem with Maccas also not use Ronald McDonald's House on principle?

9:46 am  
Blogger Alphabet Soup said...

Also, should Christians who are against Sunday trading avoid eating out at restaurants, take public transport and duck in to the shop to buy milk for church morning tea, on Sundays?

9:51 am  
Blogger Georgina said...

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the hamburgular prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking 30c soft-serves to devour.

LOL - I just got stared at by my workmates after audibly cracking up

1:48 pm  
Blogger Rockin' Robbie Rob Robin said...

It's true! I was one of said workmates!

Hi George! what a coincidence that i found this very post just hours after you showed me it! no really, it's a total fluke.

Don't mind me...

3:25 pm  
Blogger deb-o-raw said...

And you're way over 10 now Dougie!

8:36 am  
Blogger psychodougie said...

outa control!
it's all very humbling.
i'd like to thank my mum and dad, for always believing in me, God, for, well, just being You, my sponsors (to-be, i'm sure they're all going to want to be jumping on-board in no time). Of course, thanks to the Academy.

[oops. not sure what just happened there! i started off thinking i was at the brownlows, and then all of a sudden ended up at the oscars!]

10:00 am  
Blogger Mark said...

Let's make it 14 comments!

Intriguing comment Byron:
"It's not a matter of conscience, it's a matter of destroying your body, soul and world... :-)"

I've have to think more about that ...

5:12 pm  

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